시트콤 속의 바그너

나중에 보탬: 유튜브에 영상이 떴네요. ^^;



- SiteLink #1 : http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.music.composers.wagner/browse_thread/thread/f38dd8943d44b28b/599f8ffb6b220a74?hl=ko#599f8ffb6b220a74

HBO라는 TV 채널에서 방영하는 "Curb Your Enthusiasm"이라는 프로그램 중 한 에피소드에 관한 이야기.

래리 데이비드는 유대인이고 부인은 유대인이 아니다. 하루는 친구가 만든 영화 시사회에 참석했는데, 래리는 극장 로비에서 부인에게 "지크프리트 목가"를 흥얼거려준다. 며칠 있으면 부인의 생일이라 바그너가 부인 코지마의 생일 선물로 이 작품을 연주했던 일화를 말해준다. (사실은 그게 아니고 크리스마스였단다.) 부인은 감동하고 래리는 "지크프리트 목가"를 다시 흥얼거리는데, 갑자기 웬 유대인 남자가 와서는 '당신 유대인 맞아?" 하고 소리지른다. 그리고는 히틀러 얘기와 아우슈비츠 수감자들이 "마이스터징어" 음악에 맞추어 가스실로 행진했다는 얘기를 하기 시작한다. (Derrick Everett에 따르면 날조된 얘기라고 한다.) 그 남자는 래리에게 바그너를 좋아하다니 괘씸한 유대인이라고 욕한다.

얼마 후 래리는 그 남자의 밉살스런 딸에게 할로윈 사탕을 주지 않았다가 집안이 엉망이 된다.

래리는 부인의 생일을 위해 현악육중주단을 고용해 집 앞마당에서 "지크프리트 목가"를 연주시킨다. 부인은 코지마가 했던 것처럼 침실에서 나와서는 래리의 낭만적인 선물에 감동한다. 그러나 음악이 흐르는 동안 래리의 친구가 찾아와 골프를 치러 가네 마네 하면서 부인과 다툰다.

마지막 장면에서는 래리가 새벽 4시에 그 유대인 남자의 집으로 소규모 밴드를 데리고 가서 "마이스터징어" 전주곡을 연주시킨다.

(댓글로 달린 바그너-히틀러 얘기도 흥미로운데 시간 나면 자세히 읽어봐야겠다.)


Wagner in a Sitcom

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보낸 사람: Praetorius - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월8일(수) 오전3시49분 이메일: "Praetorius" ...@yahoo.com> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 This is for those who keep track of Wagnerian appearences in contemporary culture: I recently watched an episode of HBO's "Curb Your Enthusiasm" that I'd not seen before. And since this was an episode that was built around Wagner, I thought it worth a mention. Explaining Larry David and "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't easy. It's a show that is pretty much ad-libbed. Since it's on HBO there is little in the way of restrictions. In one episode this season, Larry, who is Jewish with a Gentile wife, brings home a Jewish sex offender for the Seder dinner. It's not a show for the easily offended. In this Wagner episode, Larry and his wife are attending a premiere of a friend's film. In the lobby of the theater, Larry begins humming "Siegfried Idyll" to his wife. Since her birthday is upcoming, he explains to her how Wagner performed the music on the morning of Cosima's birthday (the fact that it was Christmas is omitted). 'How romantic,' she exclaims. Larry resumes humming the "Siegfried Idyll" and is rudely interrupted by another Jewish man screaming "Are you a Jew?" at him. The man brings up Hitler and the inmates of Auschwitz being marched off to gas chambers to "Meistersinger". He calls Larry a "bad Jew!" (sort of like, 'bad dog') for liking Wagner. Soon, Larry gets his house toilet papered because he refuses to give this guy's obnoxious daughter candy for Halloween. For Larry's wife's birthday, he hires a string quintet to play "Siegfried Idyll" in the foyer of their house. His wife comes out of the bedroom Cosima-like and is enraptured by Larry's romantic gift. Except that his best friend soon arrives and Larry and his wife get into an argument--during the music--over whether Larry can go out and play golf. At the end, he gets even with the Jewish guy by bringing a small band onto the guy's lawn at 4 AM and playing the "Meistersinger" prelude. 회신

보낸 사람: Derrick Everett - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월8일(수) 오전4시02분 이메일: Derrick Everett ...@yahoo.com> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:49:51 -0800, Praetorius wrote: > Larry resumes humming the "Siegfried Idyll" and is rudely interrupted > by another Jewish man screaming "Are you a Jew?" at him. The man > brings up Hitler and the inmates of Auschwitz being marched off to > gas chambers to "Meistersinger". He calls Larry a "bad Jew!" (sort of > like, 'bad dog') for liking Wagner. The urban legend again (yawn). In fact, there is no evidence that the camp orchestra at Auschwitz played Wagner, or even that they were asked to do so, or that they could have done so if they had been asked. The story is a malicious fiction. To put it bluntly: a lie, and one that I am tired of hearing. To those who are about to send me hate mail: to deny the urban legend about Wagner's music in the camps is not "holocaust denial". Just for the record, not only do I believe that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz, but I sincerely believe that the Allies should have marched the surviving SS men into those gas chambers and given them a taste of their own medicine. Lies are lies. Regardless of whether they come from David Irving (is he still in an Austrian jail?) or Joey Goebbels or any other lying shit. Just my 2 cents. -- Derrick Everett ====== Writing from 59°54'N 10°37'E ======= http://home.c2i.net/monsalvat/index.htm http://home.c2i.net/monsalvat/wagnerfaq.htm 회신

보낸 사람: Richard Loeb - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월8일(수) 오전5시03분 이메일: "Richard Loeb" ...@comcast.net> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 "Derrick Everett" ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:pan.2006.02.07.19.02.04.16826@yahoo.com... - 따온 텍스트 숨기기 - - 따온 텍스트 보기 - > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:49:51 -0800, Praetorius wrote: >> Larry resumes humming the "Siegfried Idyll" and is rudely interrupted >> by another Jewish man screaming "Are you a Jew?" at him. The man >> brings up Hitler and the inmates of Auschwitz being marched off to >> gas chambers to "Meistersinger". He calls Larry a "bad Jew!" (sort of >> like, 'bad dog') for liking Wagner. > The urban legend again (yawn). In fact, there is no evidence that the > camp orchestra at Auschwitz played Wagner, or even that they were asked to > do so, or that they could have done so if they had been asked. The story > is a malicious fiction. To put it bluntly: a lie, and one that I am tired > of hearing. > To those who are about to send me hate mail: to deny the urban legend > about Wagner's music in the camps is not "holocaust denial". Just for > the record, not only do I believe that there were gas chambers at > Auschwitz, but I sincerely believe that the Allies should have marched the > surviving SS men into those gas chambers and given them a taste of their > own medicine. > Lies are lies. Regardless of whether they come from David Irving (is he > still in an Austrian jail?) or Joey Goebbels or any other lying shit. > Just my 2 cents. > -- > Derrick Everett > ====== Writing from 59°54'N 10°37'E ======= > http://home.c2i.net/monsalvat/index.htm > http://home.c2i.net/monsalvat/wagnerfaq.htm Absolutely right - this lunacy about Wagner and the Nazis will never end I fear esp. when you trying to reason with brick walls. Richard 회신

보낸 사람: Moloch - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월8일(수) 오전5시57분 이메일: "Moloch" ...@gmail.com> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 At least this sitcom handles it with a good dose of irony :-) 회신

보낸 사람: Richard Loeb - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월8일(수) 오전6시04분 이메일: "Richard Loeb" ...@comcast.net> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 "Moloch" ...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1139345868.442754.125350@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > At least this sitcom handles it with a good dose of irony :-) Yes it made the irate customer at the movie theatre look like a fool - he was. Richard 회신

보낸 사람: Richard Partridge - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월9일(목) 오전6시36분 이메일: Richard Partridge ...@verizon.net> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 On 2/7/06 2:02 PM, Derrick Everett, at sparafucile1...@yahoo.com, wrote the following: [snip] > The urban legend again (yawn). In fact, there is no evidence that the > camp orchestra at Auschwitz played Wagner, or even that they were asked to > do so, or that they could have done so if they had been asked. The story > is a malicious fiction. To put it bluntly: a lie, and one that I am tired > of hearing. [snip] Was there really an orchestra at Auschwitz? That doesn't fit with my idea of what I thought the place was like. Dick Partridge 회신

보낸 사람: Ralph - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월9일(목) 오전6시47분 이메일: Ralph ...@semqkz.net> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 Well there is a lot of mirth here at someone's expense. Surprise surprise it's not the Germans, who through the Nazification of Bayreuth, and the publication of the Bayreuther Blatter etc, gave rise to the so called Wagner-Nazi connection. This tired old horse needs a rest. I say "yawn" on the subject of Jews who wouldn't listen to Wagner. (anyway the number there is way overstated, I believe). One could discuss the German's prime culpability in creating that connection, but that would require a measure of subtlety and historical understanding, when it's so much easier and convenient to focus on someone hyperventilating in a movie theatre. Ralph 회신

보낸 사람: Praetorius - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월9일(목) 오전11시00분 이메일: "Praetorius" ...@yahoo.com> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 As I said, "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't a show for the easily offended. And it is a comedy that takes some getting used to. In one episode, Larry takes his elderly father, a survivor from Auschwitz, to a dinner to meet another survivor...except it turned out that this "survivor" came from the TV show "Survivor"; and an argument ensues about who had it worse: the people on the island or the people at Auschwitz. I'm not sure most viewers appreciated the Wagnerian references in this episode. The "Siegfried Idyll" story is very nice, but largely unknown outside the Wagnerian world. This may be the first time I've heard mention of it anywhere else. It's also unlikely that many recognized the "Meistersinger" prelude, or it's complete (even if fabricated) significance. I've been aware that the "Meistersinger" prelude (is it a prelude or an overture? Is there a definable difference between the two?) may not have been played at Auschwitz. I've understood that it was mostly operetta and the like. But, no one ever is derogatory about Franz Lehar and a Nazi connection. Interestingly, that while Woody Allen has used Wagner/Jewish jokes ("...the urge to invade Poland" in one film; in another, he complains about a friend being anti-semitic because when they go into a record store, the friend always points out to Woody where the Wagner is sold), I don't recall any Mel Brooks' Wagnerian slurs (and I may be wrong about this. If I am, please correct!). Considering "The Producers", one would think... 회신

보낸 사람: Ralph - 프로필 보기 날짜: 2006년2월9일(목) 오후2시27분 이메일: Ralph ...@semqkz.net> 그룹스: humanities.music.composers.wagner Not yet rated 순위: 옵션 보기 회신 | 작성자에게 회신 | 전달 | 인쇄 | 개별 메시지 | 원문 보기 | 불건전 메시지 신고 | 이 작성자의 메시지 찾기 Praetorius wrote: > As I said, "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't a show for the easi

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